Wednesday, July 27, 2005

Ruling on a Muslim eating with an infidel

So, Muslims suffer from "Islamophobia and racism", but they shouldn't make friends with us or even eat with us "unless it is necessary". Feel the love:

Ruling on a Muslim eating with a kaafir (infidel)

Question :

If a Muslim eats or drinks with a Christian or any kaafir, is that considered to be haraam?

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

Eating with a kaafir is not haraam if it is necessary to do so, or if that serves some shar’i interest. But they should not be taken as friends, so you should not eat with them for no shar’i reason or for no shar’i purpose. You should not sit and chat with them and laugh with them. But if there is a reason to do so, such as eating with a guest, or to invite them to Islam or to guide them to the truth, or for some other shar’i reason, then it is OK. The fact that the food of the People of the Book is halaal for us does not mean that we have to take them as friends and companions. It does not mean that we should eat and drink with them for no reason and for no purpose. And Allaah is the source of strength.


Conditions of it being permissible to settle in kaafir countries

What are the conditions of it being permissible to settle in kaafir countries?

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

The scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) forbade settling in or going to countries where a Muslim is not able to practise his religion openly. The one who goes there to study, do business, or earn money, and those who are resident there all come under the same rulings and there is no difference between them. The rulings concerning all of them are the same as the rulings concerning those who are resident there, and there is no difference, if they are unable to practise their religion openly, and they are able to migrate from there. Claiming to hate the kuffaar whilst living among them is not enough. It is haraam to travel to them and settle among them.

11 Comments:

At July 27, 2005 3:32 PM, Blogger erp said...

"It is haraam to travel to them and settle among them."

Why isn't this excellent rule enforced?

 
At July 27, 2005 6:48 PM, Blogger Don Miguel said...

"Why isn't this excellent rule enforced?"

Because that would break the rule that says you must live among them (as long as you don't take their ways) so that they can eventually be converted and the land can eventually be claimed as Muslim.

But I think it is an excellent rule and should be strictly enforced under penalty of death!

 
At July 28, 2005 12:14 AM, Blogger erp said...

"I would not begrudge him ... " Here's the problem. You should not only begrudge him, you and your fellow Brits should throw him and the rest of his ilk, out on their ears. No wonder they blow up your people, they know you aren't serious.

Oh pretty please, won't you behave like nicely. Here take whatever you want, but don't kill us.

It's maddening.

 
At July 28, 2005 4:39 AM, Blogger erp said...

Gosh, DP111, I admire your ability to maintain that viewpoint against the proof in front of your eyes to the contrary.

They're not going to go quietly into the night no matter how much you want it to happen.

Wishing really doesn't make it so.

 
At July 28, 2005 6:26 AM, Blogger bordergal said...

Given the fact that 2/3rds of muslims said they had thought about leaving Britian after the attacks, DP111 may be right. Particularly if there are further attacks, and further pressure is placed on the British Muslim community.

 
At July 28, 2005 8:01 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

pd111: I am STRONGLY in favor of banning the veil. I plan to write a post about that, too. But I have so many posts I want to write now that I don't know when I will get the time.

 
At July 29, 2005 2:00 AM, Blogger erp said...

DP111-Reducing the number of Muslims won't make any difference and swapping populations is the height of naiveté. Where are the oppressed Christians you want to swap with?

The UK must enforce their laws. I'm sure there are laws against conspiring to overthrow the government. Religious leaders may not call for killing from mosques. Inciting to riot must also be against the law.

No women may cover their faces when out in public. That's it, and certainly not in schools. If Muslims want to live by sharia, stay in a Muslim country.

You get the idea.

I must tell you that I admire your kind heart, but in this instance, cooler and colder heads must prevail specifically to protect people like you and other innocents.

 
At July 29, 2005 4:02 AM, Blogger Mike H. said...

erp, if a muslim woman wants to wear a veil during the day it should be her choice. All identifying documents should be sans veil. All actions that require a positive id should be sans veil. Anyone arguing against that policy should be reminded of the freedom that he or she seeks back in the old country.

Former Marine (and still a good shot, if necessary)

 
At July 29, 2005 2:30 PM, Blogger erp said...

mike h, in a perfect world, I would agree with you. However, the veil is not a religious or cultural symbol anymore. It's a symbol of unleashed violence and terror, and there is precedence for imposing "dress" codes. For instance, we don't allow public nudity even if people belong to Nudist Organizations that might require it. Nor do we allow people to wear guns in holsters ala the old west even if carrying a concealed weapon is legal as it is in some states.

Islam has shown itself not content to be one among the equal religions and/cultures of the world, but has shown with murder and mayhem, its intention to conquer and oppress the rest of us and bring us all under their control and return us all to the ignorance and superstition of the dark ages of the 12th century.

That's why one of their most controlling symbols can't be tolerated. Wearing a burka isn't a fashion statement and you can't be serious when you say, a woman should be able to wear a veil "if she wants to." Do you imagine that any human being would, given their own volition, want to walk around swathed in a black shroud?

That statement is reminiscent of slave owners in the south saying their slaves didn't want to be free, but were happy and wanted to remain slaves.

Thanks for your service to our country. I, like most Americans, am very glad that you are still out there keeping a keen eye out for our safety.

 
At July 29, 2005 3:55 PM, Blogger erp said...

As a follow up to my last post, here's a reason why Dress Codes are necessary. From the Drudge Report.

 
At July 30, 2005 12:42 AM, Blogger erp said...

Okay then. I guess we're all in agreement. Everyone -- have a nice weekend. We may have something to celebrate!

Bush may make the interim announcement of Bolton's appointment tonight.

 

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